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Ok so I re-potted my large Phal about a month ago. All seemed well but now I've had a close look at it it doesn't look well

The bottom leaf had yellowed and came away easily. The next leaf is starting to tinge yellow at the base. The whole plant has become lopsided in the pot and it looks as though some of the roots that were attached to the base of the plant have broken.

Have I not packed it into the pot securely enough and the strain of it tilting has damaged the roots? Is it salvageable?

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What kind of potting medium did you use?

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What kind of potting medium did you use?
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I used this stuff, all that's available near me



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I used the same stuff to re-pot another one not long before and that one is thriving


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Hi,

Hate to tell you this but I tried that compost a few years ago and despite having the words "ORCHID COMPOST" blazened across the package, I wouldn't touch the stuff again, at least not for phals.
Unless they've changed the mixture since I last used it, I found the texture was far too tight and close, almost like soil which may suit some orchids but (and this is only my opinion) not for phals.
I personally believe that the thicker the roots (phals, vandaceous types etc), then the thicker or more open the media should be (like bark).
But even old bark breaks down and can become like soil in the middle of the pot making it very wet & claggy which is why I've now moved over to using clay balls.
I also mix the slightest dusting of compost throughout the clay balls just to add a little bit of organic matter into the sterile clay ball media and that may be the only time I would use Westland compost, but with the smallest quantity possible.

Despite my preferences, I hope your phal thrives ?

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I was afraid you were going to say that!! I will have to do some shopping around and get it it online. It makes sense what you say Steve, the other one I've re potted in the stuff I had to cut a lot of its roots away and the ones it has left were small. This one has some lovely thick roots....I hope it still does!

Should I just take the plunge and get a different compost and re pot it again or will that do more harm than good at this stage?

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the other one I've re potted in the stuff I had to cut a lot of its roots away and the ones it has left were small. This one has some lovely thick roots....I hope it still does

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"The other one's" small roots suggest they may have rotted away being too wet ?...... I don't think that Westland compost will help the matter.
If I were in your situation, Yes I would re-pot and if I didn't think I could get some decent compost within a reasonable time, I personally would remove the phal from the Westland and keep it bare-rooted (soaking every morning until roots are green) and until I got some decent compost, this would also let some air get to the roots and dry out any over-wetness.

Phals are really quite tough and take a lot of ill-treatment and time before they give up and die so it should be okay to re-pot soon.
I personally think leaving them in Westland would do more harm than good, not the re-potting.

Good luck with them.....

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the other one I've re potted in the stuff I had to cut a lot of its roots away and the ones it has left were small. This one has some lovely thick roots....I hope it still does

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"The other one's" small roots suggest they may have rotted away being too wet ?...... I don't think that Westland compost will help the matter.
If I were in your situation, Yes I would re-pot and if I didn't think I could get some decent compost within a reasonable time, I personally would remove the phal from the Westland and keep it bare-rooted (soaking every morning until roots are green) and until I got some decent compost, this would also let some air get to the roots and dry out any over-wetness.

Phals are really quite tough and take a lot of ill-treatment and time before they give up and die so it should be okay to re-pot soon.
I personally think leaving them in Westland would do more harm than good, not the re-potting.

Good luck with them.....

Steve


Ok thank you. You're right, the other one was my mums which she had overwatered. Most of the roots were just mush! It is sending up huge Ariel roots now so I assumed it was doing well but maybe not. I might pull that one out and see how it's doing down below.

Is there a compost you would recommend I try to get instead? I think i will order it online from now on by recommendation. I'm still very new to all this!


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Is there a compost you would recommend I try to get instead? I think i will order it online from now on by recommendation.

Hi,

I would get it from an established orchid nursery going for the medium grade bark, a link below for Burnham's if it helps:

http://www.orchids.uk.com/Products/Compost

Others may have other suggestions?

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I agree with guys. First thought I got when I looked at the pictures was: oh my god, that orchid is suffocating!

Pure bark medium is best what you can do for your Phals.

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Just to add my 2 cents, if you can't find orchid bark, if there's a pet shop near you that has stuff for reptiles, reptile bark does quite well and you can buy a big bag of the stuff. The chunky stuff normally has 1-1.5cm pieces, which I find a good size for most of my orchids. Reptiles are sensitive, so the bark is usually clean and free of chemicals. I've been growing a number of my orchids in reptile bark for a couple of years and they do just fine.


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If you are unable to get around and you have a good choice of garden centres near you I would surgest either buying orchid focus compost or lobex compost these are both very good orchid potting mix in the retail sector.


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Thank you everyone! I'll make sure to post an update once I'm sorted :)


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Treat your plant as an epiphyte, they don't grow on the ground but in the air attached to trees etc,. The correct compost you can get from Orchid Accessories who have a web site. Phaleanopsis roots turn green when watered and shouldn't be watered again until the roots have been a silvery/white colour for a few days. It's very unlikely you will kill a phaleanopsis because of underwatering unless you leave it dry for a month or two. But you will definitely kill them if you keep too wet which will prevent the roots receiving the air they need. Compost from garden centres look as though they have been designed to kill orchids -- don't use it please.
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Hi all,

I've done as Stevek suggested and pulled it from the medium. I'm just in the process of ordering some bark from the place you suggested, as I unfortunately have come up empty looking locally.

The roots are not looking good compared to when I first repotted it, but fingers crossed with a couple of days airing out they will start to look a bit more healthy. Do you guys have any more suggestions on what I can do while I'm waiting for the bark to arrive?

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Hi all,

I've done as Stevek suggested and pulled it from the medium. I'm just in the process of ordering some bark from the place you suggested, as I unfortunately have come up empty looking locally.

The roots are not looking good compared to when I first repotted it, but fingers crossed with a couple of days airing out they will start to look a bit more healthy. Do you guys have any more suggestions on what I can do while I'm waiting for the bark to arrive?

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Remove all soft and squishy roots as close to the plant as possible.
I would remove it from its pot and give the root ball a good drying period until your bark arrives. Pot it up not too tightly in the new bark and rewater for the next couple of days \nd don't water again until the roots have become white again.
they don't like too strong a light so keep it bright shady conditions ---- bathroom light is perfect for both light and humidity.
Good luck and let us know how things go!!

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This orchid is now happily thriving and concentrating on growing a new leaf! Thank you all for your responses *happy dance*


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This orchid is now happily thriving and concentrating on growing a new leaf! Thank you all for your responses *happy dance*

Well done S!

All it takes is a plant with some life still in it plus some TLC and a bit of patience.

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