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Winter is an encouraging time for hardy orchid growers. We get the promise of next year coming up all lush and green now.

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Rob are you saying that the cold nights have triggered flowering in your protea-like plants?
Is the first one a grevillea?
I have just invested in 11 types of protea, leucospermum and leucadendron seed. Roll on spring!

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The first is Greville x semperflorens (it can flower at any time, but definitely picks up in autumn). South African proteaceae in particular seem to like warmish days and cool nights to grow strongly. Less so for most Aussie ones. But most are still at their happiest in spring and autumn in the greenhouse, when the sun can still warm then up nicely. I guess two reasons... South African ones are mostly montane plants that like cool nights from that. And Australian ones are usually equipped for some drought and are more likely to grow when rains are around, which I guess is usually a slightly cooler part of the year. Whatever the case, my plants grow much stronger in spring and autumn and - unless they're incidentally trying to flower - tend to sulk quite a bit in summertime!

Grevilleas appear to often be winter-flowering. Banksias seem to be more geared for summer. Proteas are variable, but mostly some time in summer, after a good spring rush of growth.

Seed can be terribly frustrating to get going: what did you buy exactly? Maybe I can help.

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The first is Greville x semperflorens (it can flower at any time, but definitely picks up in autumn). South African proteaceae in particular seem to like warmish days and cool nights to grow strongly. Less so for most Aussie ones. But most are still at their happiest in spring and autumn in the greenhouse, when the sun can still warm then up nicely. I guess two reasons... South African ones are mostly montane plants that like cool nights from that. And Australian ones are usually equipped for some drought and are more likely to grow when rains are around, which I guess is usually a slightly cooler part of the year. Whatever the case, my plants grow much stronger in spring and autumn and - unless they're incidentally trying to flower - tend to sulk quite a bit in summertime!

Grevilleas appear to often be winter-flowering. Banksias seem to be more geared for summer. Proteas are variable, but mostly some time in summer, after a good spring rush of growth.

Seed can be terribly frustrating to get going: what did you buy exactly? Maybe I can help.


Thanks for all that info. I can't wait.
I found a SA site for the seeds (https://www.finebushpeople.co.za) and I bought the 'smoke paper' too. I've got quite a large King Protea already, although it has not yet flowered, but this will be my first time from seed. It was the only way to get any choice in varieties. A project for the New Year :)

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 Post subject: Re: Green shoots
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Not all respond to smoke. It depends on what they are. Some proteaceae are even inhibited by smoke. Some need a treatment from H2O2, some like no treatment, some like smoke. Certainly, if you have a heated greenhouse, plant in Jan or Feb so you get maximum benefit of the warm sun (hopefully) days and cold (5-10 C) nights.

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Not all respond to smoke. It depends on what they are. Some proteaceae are even inhibited by smoke. Some need a treatment from H2O2, some like no treatment, some like smoke. Certainly, if you have a heated greenhouse, plant in Jan or Feb so you get maximum benefit of the warm sun (hopefully) days and cold (5-10 C) nights.


I do have a minimum of 5 in the greenhouse but had been planning to germinate them indoors. I know not to use bottom heat but am interested to hear what you are saying.

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 Post subject: Re: Green shoots
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Drop a list of what you have.

It depends on what you are trying to germinate.

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Leucadendron discolor
Leucospermum cordifolium
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Protea laurifolia
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OK - none are too hard :) At the risk of telling what you already know..... for pre-treatment they may want different things:

Soak overnight in smoke water: Proteas and the Leucadendron (though they may well all germinate without that)
Soak overnight in H202 as a 1% solution in water: Leucospermums

To germinate, use something like a mix of half sand and half perlite, to which you have added a small amount of peat. Avoid nutrient-enriched or alkaline composts. Try to use only rainwater. Plant the seeds shallowly and water the mix with a fungicide.

You said you had a greenhouse heated to 5C, which is ideal. Plant them around late February. Find the sunniest place in the greenhouse that you can, and put the pots of seeds there, covered with a glass plate or something else similar. You want to make a kind of mini greenhouse between the soil surface and the cover, to make sure that the compost gets as warm as possible in the sun by day in there. So a clear cover is far better than a opaque one for that. The difference between quite warm day conditions and cold night ones should get you a good germination in March to April. If nothing happens, keep the pots another year... the day-night differential the next autumn might do the trick then.

PS - I especially love P. nana! I grew it for many years but it got attacked by birds for its flowers one year and never recovered. Be careful where you put the smaller plants when in flower :/

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Hey Rob, thank you for all that information. I've copied it over for use in February.
Two questions : where do you think I could buy H202? A chemist?
My greenhouse is bubble-wrapped so, unfortunately, light is reduced. Do you think it is still the best option for germination?
Protea nana does look lovely.
I grew P. subvestita a few years back. I just loved the hairy, felt leaves. Unfortunately it got aphids (who'd have thought it would with such soft leaves!?!) and I sprayed it with a pesticide. It went immediately downhill from there until it died.

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You'll get a good amount of warmth even through bubble wrap. I normally have mine wrapped up over winter too.

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The terrestrial orchids are coming along nicely. The Ophrys are particularly vigorous this year. Then again, I've tried to be more diligent with fertilising this season.

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This year's green shoots today.....


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Ha! your greenhouse shelf reminds me of the Mountain Greenhouse in the Cambridge Royal Botanical Garden!

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Makes me feel at home! But I do notice a couple of empty pots. I fear for your man orchid. Mine are in spike.


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Yes, I fear that man orchid has died for no good reason. Fortunately there is another in the pot beside it. One was green-flowered, the other red. I wonder which one survived.

The big clay pot is a Cyp, which won't be coming up yet. Everything else is OK, just small in some cases.

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Half mine are in a plunge which has taken on a distinct list this winter.


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