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Hi everyone!

I am new to this forum and i own an Orchid which I actually bought as a gift for my mother a few years ago, who unfortunately passed away last October. Now i am taking care of it, though i am not a savvy Orchid owner unfortunately. It bloomed on and off for a while and other times remained dormant.

It likes its place, on the balcony without direct sunlight. I never move it from there, living in Athens, its been through cold winters (never below 0) and quite hot, humid summers. Its done well.

I believe I have overwatered it for a while...once every 5 days, letting the water run through the bark chippings. Once, i forgot to let the water run through and unfortunately left it sitting in water for well over 24 hours. This was about 2 months ago, and since then, 2 of the 3 leaves have fallen off, the last once remains nice and green, but a dried brown on the tip. I have taking the orchid out of the pot, and cut off the rotten, overwatered roots which were saggy, whitish, brownish. Since then its remained very stable, though i see very few signs of improvement. Some of the coming buds and shoots seemed to dry out at that point. A coming leaf as well just dried out, turned yellow and is hanging from the base of the main leaf left. I am watering it lightly once every 2 weeks now.

Is there anybody here who has been through this or can help me with some pointers to get my orchid well again, if there is any chance? I attach some pictures as well.


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The main problem is the centre of the plant might be gone. Thats where the new growth would emerge and if its dead, probably so is the plant.

Generally phalenopsis dont want direct sun, they prefer shady and humid. The roots look a little dehydrated, you could cover them up with bark and try and keep them moist, but not wet.

To be honest i'm not sure it can recover, the growing points (looks like there used to be two) look fried.


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Hi Jason,

Sorry to hear about your mother, this phal could be a bit special then ?

I agree with SilverShaded's diagnosis and it looks like the experience of leaving it soaking for 24 hours has scared you off in the totally opposite direction, because not only the roots, but the media looks incredibly dry too ?

It looks a little too high above the media too ?

It is in a bit of a state!, I would repot it in a clear pot (so I could see what was going on underneath the media but not essential), plant it upright (it appears to be falling over?), and plant it lower into the media.
Give a good watering (once a week should be enough - maybe twice at the height of an Athens summer if in a coarse media), keep out of very bright light, then see what happens.

If it doesn't grow from the top, it may develop a basal growth which was recently discussed here.

Good luck with it !

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Thank you to both for your help! It is in a bit of a state, i really expect the worst but hope for the best. I just bought new bark choppings which ill use to pot it deeper as you suggest. As i re-pot it tomorrow ill take pictures so you can see whats going on below the media...wish me luck, and thanks again!


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We've all got our legs crossed for you Jason !

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Thank you Steve! Believe me, anything crossable on my body is crossed too! Ok, so i got it re-potted.

Pictures attached. There are some nice thick green roots still slightly sticking out of the media.

I also got a fertilizer which i will apply every 15 days or so, at half dose, rich in nitrogen. I dont want to overdo it, but maybe some extra nutrients in there can give it a boost. I watering as you guys said.

I have seen a green bulb popping out of the dried stem, you can see it in the pictures attached.

What you guys that is? I suspect a new root, or maybe even the start of a keiki (hopefully?) ?

Ill be in touch with updates, thanks again guys!

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That looks better Jason!
Even though its exactly the same plant as the day before you re-potted it, it looks much better being upright and like its now ready to grow onwards and upwards, rather than almost lying on its side as if it was about to give up the ghost ?
I can't see that needing another watering for at least a week (but obviously you know your temps/conditions better than me).
Was your bark bought specifically as orchid bark ?
I can see the little green bump emerging but I think its too early to know what it is, it could be a root, spike or kei-kei, root tips tend to be rounded as they emerge and spikes seem to have a flat tip but at this stage, I would be grateful for anything which proves that it is still alive & trying to grow.

Good job Jason, let us know of its progress ?

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Hi again and sorry for the late reply, been on a trip to Croatia (highly recommendable by the way) and havent had much access to the internet.

The bark that i purchased was from a flower shop, especially for Orchids, at least according to the shopkeeper.

So i returned from my trip and found that the previous green shoot mentioned in this post looks pretty much the same. After a deeper inspection, I came across something which just got me absolutely delighted! Pictures attached.

I hope im not wrong here, but that shoot wasnt there before i left, and surely looks vividly green!!

What you guys think here?

Watering once every 5-7 days just to keep some good humidity in there, without being wet.

Cheers!


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Hi Jason,

Once again, its a bit too small to determine what that extra little "bump" is going to be at this stage (probably a root?).
Woud be great if its a spike or new plantlet but even roots would be good because to get a good healthy plant, it firstly needs a good healthy root system.
Whatever it is, its now all looking more positive as its obviously hanging on in there and doing its best to keep going.

If this is what happens when you take a holiday......then mabe you should take a lot more of them ???

Keep us posted, it will be interesting to see its progress.........Good growing, keep it up!

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Like Steve says a little early to be 100% sure, but my money would be on spike or basal keiki over root. It's the slight nodule in the end that makes me think not root.

Good growing, well done!



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Thanks guys for the encouraging words! Its doing well so far, just watered it and added a slight amount of fertilizer in there every 15 days or so mixed with water (water soluble mix, rich in nitrogen non-urea)

Find myself checking out the orchid every couple of hours, must say, I have become a bit of a freak! Pictures will follow once there is better progress,

Will keep in touch, all the best to you, and thanks again!

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Hi again guys, so here comes an update.

Its growing!...but im still not sure what it is. Judging by what t i've read, its likely to be a flower spike or maybe even a leaf. Probably not a root (its not rounded, but flat) Given that my phal only has one leaf left, i'm hoping its another leaf as to improve its long term outlook. A flower however would also be welcome, of course,

Sharing pictures! Feel free to give you input and suggestions,

Temps in Athens are about 25 Celsius these days, thus watering every 5 days,

Hope your all doing well, will give an update in another week or so,

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Well the turn of the weather should be on your side, yeah you may have to water more often but hopeful that just means more growth! It's certain a healthy looking growth.... Awesome! :)
Keep up what ever you are doing!



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Nice one Jason,

I think we can now rule out a root but I still wouldn't put any money on what its going to be?

Whatever it is, it looks good & healthy.

Well done & keep it up, I think you're on the home straight now! :clap:

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Hi again everyone! Here comes an update! (photos attached)

It looks almost like a leaf at the end of it! I'm watering every 5 days (temps are up in the high 20s in Athens now)

If anybody can suggest what it is or recommend any specific actions in terms of care, i would be grateful!

All the best ! Jason


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Jason1986 wrote:
If anybody can suggest what it is or recommend any specific actions in terms of care, i would be grateful!

Hi Jason,

Its looking good and coming on great!

There was a bit of speculation what your little growth was going to be, but I think all is now revealed.
I would just keep on doing what you are doing, you can't do much at the moment but hopefully it will continue to mature, then develop its own roots and at some time you can remove it from the main plant to pot it on.

If the main plant stays healthy (alive but mostly leafless), it may put out further plants, in fact you may end up with so many that you'll be over-run and sick of the sight of them ! :lol:

Keep up the good work.....

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If anybody can suggest what it is or recommend any specific actions in terms of care, i would be grateful!

Hi Jason,

Its looking good and coming on great!

There was a bit of speculation what your little growth was going to be, but I think all is now revealed.
I would just keep on doing what you are doing, you can't do much at the moment but hopefully it will continue to mature, then develop its own roots and at some time you can remove it from the main plant to pot it on.

If the main plant stays healthy (alive but mostly leafless), it may put out further plants, in fact you may end up with so many that you'll be over-run and sick of the sight of them ! :lol:

Keep up the good work.....

Steve
I thought this was a spike. My plant seems to have the same issue.
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Makiabra, you are correct and your plant is producing a normal flower spike. If you look at the top of Jason's spike you will see that it is forming leaves. That is not normal and is an indication that the plant is producing a Keiki or baby plant to compensate for the poor condition of the mother plant.

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