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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:04 pm 
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This made me a bit annoyed:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Health-Beauty ... _nkw=salep

Totally illegal, surely?

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Seems that salep is widely available, apparently pre-dating tea and coffee.
I'm thinking your annoyance is at the probability of Orchis plants being raped from the wild to make some "herbal tea".
Sadly. its the human condition, through ignorance or greed many people will sell anything to make money, with scant regard for conservation or the efficacy of their products.

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I guess if the plants arent protected its not illegal to collect it, but send it internationally from outside of europe probably is illegal.


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I wonder if the fact that they are dead makes any difference?


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US Fish and Wildlife states: "CITES Document Requirements . ... Specimen means any wildlife or plant, whether live or dead".
I don't know whether this is the same in the UK, but probably.
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According to wikipedia, Dactylorhiza hatagirea (incarnata) is prohibited from collection, but is still being sold on ebay.


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Only one of those auctions seems to be Dactylorhiza tubers.... the three-pronged things.

Bizarrely eBay's policy on wildlife only applies to animals, not plants (plants are only under a policy concerning pathogens and invasive species), so reporting illegal plant trade cannot be done on the site.

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Basically few people care about plants.

On our local sssi site, more poeple are worried about protecting a non-native bird population (canada geese) than concerned about the fact they have eliminated most of the native plant life (which is why it was an sssi in the first place). Thats just the way it is, unfortunately.


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This is a age old traditional tea. They boast that it is health beneficial with no credible evidence. Much of it comes from wild collected orchids with any inspection from any country, government or agency. In China the wild orchid population has collapsed so badly that many orchid dealers are now looking to anyone who can grow from seed or clone orchids for the market.
My question to CITES and every member country is (what good are the laws if you do not inforce them). China allows free trade of any endangered plant or animal (so long as it stays within China's borders). But you can send things by mail from any country even prohibited items (because they can't and do not check every package). The orchid population in Afghanistan is under threat because of the salep trade.

We live in sad times, when money trumps laws and logic.

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