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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:08 pm 
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O my... :shock:

This is very english prononciation indeed.

I is NEVER pronounced as eye in latin but pronounced as ee.
and the E never as ee but more like ay or ey as in hey.

To name just a few things.

Strange in your list is that close to each other you find good ones and whrong ones.
For example:
Houlletia - hoo-LET-ee-a is good
but then you whrite:
Isochilus - eye-so-KYE-lus wich should be Ee-so-KEE-lus or even better Ee-so-KEE-loos

There are some American websites out there that think they do the world a big favor by learning them how to pronounce latin names REALLY whrong.

Especially because they have the tendency there to pronounce the E like they should pronounce the E

Hehehehe!! :lol:

But it's a bit of a problem though. When I mention latin names to English speaking people I often use the english pronounciation, just to make sure there are no misunderstanding and that's not why latin names where invented.

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hello

my list has been made from all sorts of places, mainly asking at orchid nurseries and books. i can't promise that how the list is will suit everyone, it better then nothing.

i am still looking for other names to add to the list so if anyone has any please pm me them.

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Rogier wrote:
When I mention latin names to English speaking people I often use the english pronounciation, just to make sure there are no misunderstanding and that's not why latin names where invented.


'Scientific Latin' includes lots of Greek which makes it difficult. Cymbidium and Coelogyne would both start with a K in the original Greek. My confusion between omega and omicron persuaded me to study Geography at school instead of Greek.

Of course there is a fair degree of variation among English speakers. Australians have to shorten everything that has more than two syllables so Coelogyne is often heard as S'log-ny, Cymbidiums become Cymbids and Sacrcochilus become Sarcs.

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Of course there is a fair degree of variation among English speakers. Australians have to shorten everything that has more than two syllables so Coelogyne is often heard as S'log-ny, Cymbidiums become Cymbids and Sacrcochilus become Sarcs.


Hahaha. Latin slang. quite recognizable as Phiopedilum are often reffered to as Paphs here
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Don't get me whrong here. This idea of the list is very good and many names have quite the good pronounciation here. But there are some really odd ones there as well (Like the Isochilus I mentioned above.)
What's the point is whriting a pronounciation down in a way that any english speaker would do so. The point of this list is to show how it's really done.
You don't have to ask these pronounciations to other people as long sas you follow the rules.

That way you can just take any name and translate it into reasonably good latin pronounciation.
names like Coelogyne are very dificult. Presonally I would also not now how to whrite the pronounciation of oe down in English pronounciation. I cannot think of an English word that has that sound in it.

Anyway keep up the good work but if you can change the errors it would make the list a lot more valuable.

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right then i have now come to the conclusion that alot of it is long.

i am going to make sure that i make any changes to names now to get it better.

any latin experts please can you post the orchid names and the correct way to pronounce them and i shall correct the list, it will become more valuable to us instead of a rough guide which it is at the moment.

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I am not specialist in latin but never ever understood anybody who seeing to have selogyne, szylogyne or other thing... - Coelogyne c - This is always pronounced hard - like a 'k', not an 's', to me any way :lol:

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I always used to pronounce it as see-low-genie :oops: :lol:

but according to the books I have it's See-Lodge-nee :|

I've had a few problems buying orchids at shows and asking for a particular plant that the person has now idea what genus I'm talking about :lol:


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Hello

the only case to igore in a sence is coelogyne. i have come across more ways of saying it then i dare to try to list and thats another to add to it :lol:

kee-LOJ-in-ee

i see the logic but i have heard it prounced see-LOJ-in-ee nearly everywere i go. its one we can't win as theres always another way.

shall we list all the ways of saying coelogyne or the most common ones?, Fire away :lol:

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Ko-low-gine? :lol:


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hello

:lol:

its now gone confuseing.

always remember what stevek said, the best way to pronouce any orchid name at a show is Ile-AVE-THAT-un :lol:

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I think I mentioned it before, but I have a strong compulsion to pronounce Coelogyne like gone-wrong church Latin:

CHAY-low-jine

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I guess this plant has its own name for most of us, never mind, many sellers will be surprise special UK - sellers but I will be always saying something around kee-LOJ-in-ee, if J read as G like in word Garry for example...

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any latin experts please can you post


I am quite expert. I studied Latin at school and sat for the GCE Ordinary level twice. On both occasions I achieved a grade of 9. For those who never encountered the O-level scoring system it went :
Grade 7 - Just failed
Grade 8 - Failed badly
Grade 9 - the examiners don't believe you ever studied the subject.

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I used to say Ko-low-jine...

I have a couple of Coelia plants, until this morning i pronounced that Co-ee-lee-ah... which i think sounds nicer than See lee ah :)


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Hrrhr,
It remings e some sketch from Monty Pythons:

Monty Python's Flying Circus: It's a Living (#2.6)" ... it's spelled, "Raymond Luxury Yacht," but it's pronounced, "Throat Warbler Mangrove" :D

I like this folklore part of pronunciation differing from country to country. I do not have issues with latin pronunciation as it honetical like in my native tongue. There is a little bit confusion about the letter c which in modern Latin is pronunced as either 's' or 'k' but in old tymes of powerful Rome empire all Cs were pronounced as 'k'. I bet it varied from region to region but it doth not really matter I think, although is extremely intriguing.
If it is of any help hither we have all phonemes used in Latin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_spel ... nunciation.

And what is beautiful and completely unlike in AEnglish - there are no exceptions - one simply decodes letters from left to right using one of sounds.
Exception in English I am talking about - cucumber- we have two same mora's 'cu' but pronounced one as 'Q' nd second time similarly to 'come'. In Latin - no letter is omitted in pronunciation except for dyphtongs e.g. 'ph' standing for 'f' but the comprehensive table contains them all 'and in the darkness binds them, in the land of Mordor...' ;)
Summing up - there are simple and strict rules as for Latin pronunciation and creating contemporary list when only one thinks of the abundance of orchidaceae family - well...

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its been a while since this topic has had posts. i did expect a never ending topic.

to date, other then ones mentioned in this post i haven't come across correct ways to say any of the other orchids not listed.
(note the way theres no 'the' before correct as there are different right ways)

this topic is still running, any more surgestions are very much welcome. i will update the first post in time to have all the different ways mentioned.

never really thought about how cucumber sounds, should be spelt qucumber :lol:

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