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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:00 pm 
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Hi to all who are, were, or always will be- posting on Orchid forum et al.
I don't know whether it's my memory or the time of year or what, but when I first found O.F. and started posting, well reading first as a scoping out exercise, I used to be happy as Larry (nope I don't know who he is either) to find-when home from work 42 posts including maybe a video from Rachel. (Glory Days). Now I'm happy to see 4 new posts (All quality I may add).
Questions is have we faded?, is it just the time of year? or are folks just to busy?
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 Post subject: Re: Glory Days
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Most forums are dead, everyone is on Facebook! (Not neccessarily an improvement).


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 Post subject: Re: Glory Days
PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:27 pm 
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Agreed, but for me personally Forums like this are so focused objectively.
I use FB to keep up and in touch with family in the US, the groups on FB are seemingly ephemeral and not as genuine or passionate about their subject matter.
Hope fully things may improve, but I'm still all for this type of forum.

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 Post subject: Re: Glory Days
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I dont really agree, most of the experts are on facebook. Particularly for very specialised subjects, but the information is quickly lost. Still if you want a quick answer to a difficult question facebook is as good as anywhere.

The fern forum died years ago but the fern group on facebook is very active, same for Nepenthes, orchids are going that way. The coelogyne group on facebook is where the action is for those for sure.



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 Post subject: Re: Glory Days
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Hi to all who are, were, or always will be- posting on Orchid forum et al.
I don't know whether it's my memory or the time of year or what, but when I first found O.F. and started posting, well reading first as a scoping out exercise, I used to be happy as Larry (nope I don't know who he is either) to find-when home from work 42 posts including maybe a video from Rachel. (Glory Days). Now I'm happy to see 4 new posts (All quality I may add).
Questions is have we faded?, is it just the time of year? or are folks just to busy?
Comments greatly appreciated.

Maybe we need some enthusiastic new growers ?
I can only speak for myself but I used to Post a lot when I first started growing orchids because everything was new to me and I had lots of questions about everything, but as I've gathered experience over time, I don't feel I need to keep posting to ask.
It could also be the time of year if nothing much is happening apart from playing the waiting game, waiting for everything to start into action then suddenly discovering all the new shoots or buds forming which gets my enthusiasm going, the same as getting a batch of new plants.

Or it could just be your memory Barnie, maybe you've forgotten that you don't have any orchids at all ! :o

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 Post subject: Re: Glory Days
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:12 pm 
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My carnivorous plant forum has had a similar posting recently. Personally I hate groups on facebook, information gets lost far too quickly, there are too many pointless posts and I dont like people I know from other interests having to wade through things I post to other groups. Much prefer forums - I find them a great store of information and like-minded people.

I'm a fairly new orchid grower so find I can wade through old posts on here and learn a thing or two. I might post about my 'highland' terrarium soon - it was built for Heliamphora but at the moment I have two Masdevallia growing in the cool dark corners.



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 Post subject: Re: Glory Days
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:47 pm 
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I'm new to this forum and joined to find an european forum 'cause the probabilities of similar climates are greater, not to mention that all the comercial circuit being in the same continent is better.
I'm sorry to be so harsh but after a few days here I was so disapointed. Almost no movement, almost no replies and when they exist it's only after an eternity.
I'm also a member of an american forum and it has a huge dynamic, I ask a question and usually the first reply happens less than 1/2 hr later (no kidding) and by the end of the day it is normal for a post to have more than one page. In this forum no one wants to use facebook related with orchid issues, just like I don't want to (I don't even have a profile there).
This lack of dynamics is a case of people going with the flow and not knowing what's best for them.


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 Post subject: Re: Glory Days
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:29 pm 
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This forum was MUCH busier in the past. When i joined there was a thriving community and many members that used to post very frequently and from all over the world have now left us. Having said that, it also used to be very clique orientated and it was always the same members posting and only on each other's posts. This is very discouraging for new members but at least new content is there to read.

As far as facebook goes, I have very much lost my patience with it. Groups are under constant attack from spammers, information is lost very quickly and facebook doesn't even allow you to view content in chronological order anymore. Add to that its increased bulkyness and ever spiralling advert content especially on mobile devices, and it very quickly becomes unusable for anything meaningful.

If the forum can hang in there for a bit of time yet, I wouldn't be surprised to see a resurgence in its popularity.

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 Post subject: Re: Glory Days
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:26 pm 
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Teli, liking the positivity, agreed the is a clique element -but I think that's a barrier an individual has to break through. My own experience was similar a welcome, granted, then it almost seemed like "the regulars" were all living in the same street and hanging out in each others houses.What! "Whom is this Conker bloke shall we let him in?" but in all reality you were just comfortable with each other- takes time.

Yunzi, Thanks for feedback-seems your a forum chap/bloke/person. keep posting!

Silver, ok so if expert info is really good on FB then People can go there and garner their knowledge- we all Google stuff for info. I just think this Forum has more to offer in terms of Orchid interest with a Passion a real community asset. and the Obvious one "We are self governing" Rob , Mods, and the rest of our Forum. Compared to the dictatorship of FB- who feel they know how billions of people want to socialize! No complaining or suggesting -they're too big for the minority voice to count.

Rob, Mods, n Citizens of the O Forum, we could also evolve/Diversify to cater to a degree for Orchid lovers to include about their other plant interests Cacti and Succulents, Gesneriads, Nepenthes, any Epiphytic plant life. Daffodils- only joking!!
I would also plead to all registered members who are there in the background to post anything, say once a month- don't be shy!

And finally Steve, Where have all my Orchids Gone-I want em back.

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 Post subject: Re: Glory Days
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:17 pm 
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I actually left Facebook for a while as I was being added to to many groups it became, more of a chore than fun. I mainly left becuase my spare time Privet time was being consumed with my work life, I felt I had to answer or post a or replie to posts.

I left here for a while to due to my new job I just had no time for anything. I came back on here yes it was clickquey, but in all honesty I couldn't give a crap I post if someone replies it nice if they don't oh well. I find I post on here when I have time to also if I give give some imput, in to the conversation.

I returned to Facebook this year I don't use it at all only really for messenger to speak to my friends from Singapore to the USA. I refuse to enter any groups.

I find forums far better, more knowledgeable the biggest problem with social media is post dissapear so fast I had found my self searching for hours and never to find the pics or the posts. As a quick fire answers it's great, but I also find if you want to refresh on something your screwed if it on Facebook.

I think also I do find forums can be very lacking is if you try and start a thread to be somewhere to be disscution and throw ideas around and now ones adds to it, it's a blow at times.

Yet I find on here people dissalear and then some back regular then gone again so sometimes I think, work and life and get in the way.

I am a member on a few American forums yes people replie faster and more people add to it, yet America is massive several time zones to, where as on here I see either the morning's and evening are the busier times either before or after work.



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 Post subject: Re: Glory Days
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:16 pm 
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While we're mentioning facebook........ can I ask if anybody at all has found it remotely useful to have the forum posts being automatically posted through to the facebook page here? This is up for renewal from me.

https://www.facebook.com/orchidforum.eu

I think only 47 people "liked" it - meaning they get notifications in their facebook newsfeed. Personally, I find the facebook feed a waste of time as the posts don't make much sense when not in the context of their threads, and the passthrough of forum pictures is almost always not working (we just get the site logo instead). I am planing to stop the feeds to that page as they cost money and I don't think they have any positive effect. I'm still in search of any way to somehow leverage facebook.

Alternatively a few posts from me onto the facebook page every few days, trying to focus on a few interesting recent topics and uploading a few copy pictures from the forum, etc., might get people to click through facebook to the forum, but that would involve a lot of work and time from me, and it doesn't get around the fact that it's the facebook notifications that are the hooks that keep reeling people back in: there is no way to get an addition to a forum post to translate into a facebook notification :/

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 Post subject: Re: Glory Days
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Seconded, Anything I click on leads me straight back to here!!

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Seconded, Anything I click on leads me straight back to here!!


That's the intent of the facebook page though - each new item posted on the forum gets sent to facebook, which makes it show up in your newsfeed if you are subscribed on there, from where you can go straight to that post on the forum from your newsfeed if it looks interesting to you. What you can't do is follow, or like, or comment on thread son facebook itself as anything you do on there can't then be re-integrated onto the forum itself. Facebook want everyone to use facebook groups instead (which are useless for the sort of stuff forums do).

I'll have one last go at trying to get forum images to display properly on it over the next few days: that might make things look more enticing.

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I started to follow the Forum on Facebook but gave up. My phone is too small to read the posts well and when I use my tablet I may as well get into the Forum proper.

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Thats exactly right. Really, there's a conflict of interests between facebook (who want your clicks) and the forum so they're never going to make it easy to do what we want it to.

As Blondie mentioned above, I rarely use facebook anymore except for messenger.

Might I call out to members who do post out to put replies to new posts, even if we don't know the answer? That way, at least new people will know their posts are being read. A lot of the lack of replies to a post comes down to our 'Britishness' (apologies to overseas members here), wherein we say nothing at all if we have nothing to say. I guess this could be misconstrued by some as being ignored. I assure all members who read this - you aren't.

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Might I call out to members who do post out to put replies to new posts, even if we don't know the answer? That way, at least new people will know their posts are being read. A lot of the lack of replies to a post comes down to our 'Britishness' (apologies to overseas members here), wherein we say nothing at all if we have nothing to say. I guess this could be misconstrued by some as being ignored. I assure all members who read this - you aren't.
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Teli, you've hit the nail on the head there with the old British reserve, If I see an ID my orchid question -even if I'm 70% sure I still feel I'm not as qualified to answer as others ( fear of being wrong!!). :occasion-clown:
Also, I think newer members revere the veterans (How many posts :bow-yellow: ) so avoid seemingly to appear an upstart (that was me).
Ok I'm ready to reply to all :geek:

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Cheers, Barnie. Plus, if I feel differently on a subject I tend not to comment so as to not step on anyone's toes! Stiff upper lip and all that, old chap !

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:) "Right you are-sir no toe steppin here----yet" :shock:

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I do remember during the halcyon days that there were quite a lot of arguments on here, too. It wasn't all plain sailing!

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I left many forums because of show boaters and the so called experts, I never have seen or met an expert in any field. I believe you can be a professor/authoritarian, knowledgeable but that's about it. I been working and studding the worlds orchids for more than forty five years and I still call my self a student of orchidology. each of us come to a forum or this forum for many different reasons, but with a desire to learn something knew. Make friends with other orchid enthusiast and share information, this I believe to be the key (Share Information). I don't go or use the American orchid sites because too many know-it-alls, when you have some knowledge you get some ability to read or tell if someone is knowledgeable or not.

Rob- when face book was added to the UOF, I had to get a VPN just to use the forum, because China blocks Facebook.

I truly like when the UOF members post orchids in situ.

Seed propagation is great subject.

Orchid pest's and viruses is a great subject.

Growing conditions globally is great too.

Orchid books are fascinating and great to share.

Pots what works better, me personally unfired clay works very well.

We make the forum what it is, good or bad. I will be traveling to go back to China on the 28 and will get home on the 1st. I have many orchid books to drag back with me and what I cant check because of being over weight, will become carry on. So after I get back I will be more active on the forum.

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